I just wanted to point something out: When people talk about systemic misandry, they're talking about the whole system which includes men and women as the perpetrators. For instance, when they talk about misandry in the criminal justice system, a guy who gets a longer sentence or less time with his kids for no other reason than his gender isn't "less discriminated against" if the judge is also male. It's still misandry. When men at the top discriminate against men at the bottom, it's still a form of misandry.
This list has a lot of force, but only if you assume misandry just looks like misogyny with the genders swapped, which it absolutely isn't. Someone could use the same tactics to (ludicrously) argue that misogyny doesn't exist. Watch:
Can you name 1 country that refuses to outlaw rape against women, but outlaws rape against men?
Can you name 1 country where women, and only women, are coerced into military service?
Can you name 1 country where female murder victims outnumber male murder victims?
Can you name 1 society with a taboo forbidding interpersonal violence against, and only against, men?
And so on and so on.
I don't even believe that, globally, misandry is necessarily as significant a force as misogyny, but there's got to be a more intellectually honest way to argue that point than this.
"Misandry (/mɪˈsændri/) is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against men"
All of your points are valid but I think you're missing something key- misandry is not just about the boot being on the other foot, but rather if a group is being victimized. I also think you also take a very state oriented approach to defining misandry, which misses a lot. I think the media has a huge part in sexism, to the point that I'd argue that it's systemic. I'd love to talk to you about it sometime.
I believe misandry exists and its either an unintentional side effect of or an intentional evil created by the patriarchy.
Example: The idiot dad media trope. Fathers should be gentle and loving leaders and protectors but instead they are useless morons so frequently. Their value comes from making money and little else. This is either to excuse male shittyness or to encourage men to be losers. Their character arcs are constantly just "man becomes slightly less dumb". This media is almost always created by men.
I think the biggest problem with talking about misandry is that its so often brought up to dismiss misogyny when its really just proving the feminists point lol
A host of a show starts to explain how a woman cut off a man's penis and the audience laughs and applauds. If the host would have said a man mutilated a woman's body part the crowd would have the same reaction? No, that is systemic misandry right there.
Why does IMDB have a searchable category of 'kicked in the balls', and 'woman-kicks-a-man-in-the-groin'? Why is it funny to some to watch a guy get kicked in the balls? That is misandry.
Courts automatically side with women for child custody because they are deemed better parents due to their gender, that's misandry.
Women can't pay for their kids so they get government assistance. Men can't pay for their kids and they go to prison for it, that's misandry.
A man claims to be assaulted and is dismissed because he should have been able to defend himself. A woman claims to be assaulted and is automatically believed even with no evidence, that's misandry.
A woman can openly say they hate men, the actually definition of misandry, but that is culturally okay to do so.
A relationship ends and people assume that it was because the man did something or didn't do enough, that's misandry.
The test to see if misandry exists is to take any story and reverse the genders. If there isn't the same outrage then you have identified a double standard. Most likely it will be either misogyny or misandry.
Men being misogynistic in the comments just proves her point. I’m sorry but there’s no such thing as racism towards white people like there is no such thing as Misandry to men. Women definitely can discriminate against men but they do not and cannot systematically discriminate men (misandry). When men discriminate against men it is actually due to misogyny ie. men getting conscripted to war - women are too weak to fight in war and are only good to make more babies after the war. Men are literally in places of power everywhere, there is no place where it’s just women. White men specifically, always want to be victims of “misandry” because they want to be oppressed even though they are doing the oppression. It’s cognitive dissonance. White men run the western world and systematically oppress other races, cultures and gender identities (that aren’t cis white men). It’s weird how they want to be the victim instead of trying to fight for equity of everyone. Many go on about, “victim mentality” to actual victims but in the same boat cry about misandry when women hate them because they are misogynistic.
Okay so everyone who complains about misogyny in the modern world like the US is also wrong? Not like any of these apply to the modern world.
Also: in how many countries is army conscription gender neutral, rather than male-only? Your list completely ignores male issues to focus on women’s issues. Which is pretty typical lmao.
"2. If you did find one example, all you have done is found an exception which proves the rule. If all you can find is one example in the history of the entire world, whilst thousands or millions of girls and women are subjected to that example on a daily basis, again, you’ve proven that misandry does not and cannot exist on a systemic level."
No Dr. Taylor, it means that you are objectively wrong and need to stop making false statements, and you pre-emptively admitting that you're wrong doesn't change that. It just shows that even you can't be confident that what you're saying has any truth to it.
"19. Can you name 1 country where males must get permission and supervision of females to travel, marry or seek healthcare?"
I can name a lot of countries where you need more than one party's permission to marry, Dr. Taylor.
"23. Can you name 1 country where men have been forbidden from using any form of contraception?"
Afghanistan literally just banned contraceptives of ALL kinds. Is this what inspired the little disclaimer about "exceptions?"
"26. Can you name 1 country in the world where women kill more than 3 men per week?"
Do Russian wives sending every man they know off to become sunflower fertilizer in Bakhmut while fervently supporting Putin's regime count? Because the stuff you hear in leaked calls from the front, lemme tell ya...
"31. Can you name 1 country where female-led governments have stated that men are not legally allowed to drive trains, tractors or pilot ships?"
Had to exclude planes and narrow to "female-led governments" because even Saudi Arabia has female fighter pilots, eh?
"37. Can you name 1 country where men and boys were routinely sectioned and had their reproductive organs removed because female doctors believed it was causing them to become insane?"
Nowadays, the residency and med school enrollment numbers for OB/GYN speak for themselves, and someone's gotta circumcise the baby boys for... something about cereal, I think?
FGM in Africa and the Middle East, likewise, is also overwhelmingly performed by female elders
Keeping this article on tap for the next time anyone in my life uses the word "misandry" 🙄
So well put, thank you for sharing this!
Brilliant Jessica. Sharing with my social work students on placement in FDV contexts. Perth, Western Australia : )
I just wanted to point something out: When people talk about systemic misandry, they're talking about the whole system which includes men and women as the perpetrators. For instance, when they talk about misandry in the criminal justice system, a guy who gets a longer sentence or less time with his kids for no other reason than his gender isn't "less discriminated against" if the judge is also male. It's still misandry. When men at the top discriminate against men at the bottom, it's still a form of misandry.
This list has a lot of force, but only if you assume misandry just looks like misogyny with the genders swapped, which it absolutely isn't. Someone could use the same tactics to (ludicrously) argue that misogyny doesn't exist. Watch:
Can you name 1 country that refuses to outlaw rape against women, but outlaws rape against men?
Can you name 1 country where women, and only women, are coerced into military service?
Can you name 1 country where female murder victims outnumber male murder victims?
Can you name 1 society with a taboo forbidding interpersonal violence against, and only against, men?
And so on and so on.
I don't even believe that, globally, misandry is necessarily as significant a force as misogyny, but there's got to be a more intellectually honest way to argue that point than this.
"Misandry (/mɪˈsændri/) is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against men"
All of your points are valid but I think you're missing something key- misandry is not just about the boot being on the other foot, but rather if a group is being victimized. I also think you also take a very state oriented approach to defining misandry, which misses a lot. I think the media has a huge part in sexism, to the point that I'd argue that it's systemic. I'd love to talk to you about it sometime.
I believe misandry exists and its either an unintentional side effect of or an intentional evil created by the patriarchy.
Example: The idiot dad media trope. Fathers should be gentle and loving leaders and protectors but instead they are useless morons so frequently. Their value comes from making money and little else. This is either to excuse male shittyness or to encourage men to be losers. Their character arcs are constantly just "man becomes slightly less dumb". This media is almost always created by men.
I think the biggest problem with talking about misandry is that its so often brought up to dismiss misogyny when its really just proving the feminists point lol
A host of a show starts to explain how a woman cut off a man's penis and the audience laughs and applauds. If the host would have said a man mutilated a woman's body part the crowd would have the same reaction? No, that is systemic misandry right there.
Why does IMDB have a searchable category of 'kicked in the balls', and 'woman-kicks-a-man-in-the-groin'? Why is it funny to some to watch a guy get kicked in the balls? That is misandry.
Courts automatically side with women for child custody because they are deemed better parents due to their gender, that's misandry.
Women can't pay for their kids so they get government assistance. Men can't pay for their kids and they go to prison for it, that's misandry.
A man claims to be assaulted and is dismissed because he should have been able to defend himself. A woman claims to be assaulted and is automatically believed even with no evidence, that's misandry.
A woman can openly say they hate men, the actually definition of misandry, but that is culturally okay to do so.
A relationship ends and people assume that it was because the man did something or didn't do enough, that's misandry.
The test to see if misandry exists is to take any story and reverse the genders. If there isn't the same outrage then you have identified a double standard. Most likely it will be either misogyny or misandry.
Men being misogynistic in the comments just proves her point. I’m sorry but there’s no such thing as racism towards white people like there is no such thing as Misandry to men. Women definitely can discriminate against men but they do not and cannot systematically discriminate men (misandry). When men discriminate against men it is actually due to misogyny ie. men getting conscripted to war - women are too weak to fight in war and are only good to make more babies after the war. Men are literally in places of power everywhere, there is no place where it’s just women. White men specifically, always want to be victims of “misandry” because they want to be oppressed even though they are doing the oppression. It’s cognitive dissonance. White men run the western world and systematically oppress other races, cultures and gender identities (that aren’t cis white men). It’s weird how they want to be the victim instead of trying to fight for equity of everyone. Many go on about, “victim mentality” to actual victims but in the same boat cry about misandry when women hate them because they are misogynistic.
Great article, I would just add the link to the stats.
Imagine being so stupid that you think opression is only about rape and murder.
Clearly the writer doesn’t know her head from her ass. She’s another slut who was treated badly by crappy men so she hates all men
Okay so everyone who complains about misogyny in the modern world like the US is also wrong? Not like any of these apply to the modern world.
Also: in how many countries is army conscription gender neutral, rather than male-only? Your list completely ignores male issues to focus on women’s issues. Which is pretty typical lmao.
"2. If you did find one example, all you have done is found an exception which proves the rule. If all you can find is one example in the history of the entire world, whilst thousands or millions of girls and women are subjected to that example on a daily basis, again, you’ve proven that misandry does not and cannot exist on a systemic level."
No Dr. Taylor, it means that you are objectively wrong and need to stop making false statements, and you pre-emptively admitting that you're wrong doesn't change that. It just shows that even you can't be confident that what you're saying has any truth to it.
"19. Can you name 1 country where males must get permission and supervision of females to travel, marry or seek healthcare?"
I can name a lot of countries where you need more than one party's permission to marry, Dr. Taylor.
"23. Can you name 1 country where men have been forbidden from using any form of contraception?"
Afghanistan literally just banned contraceptives of ALL kinds. Is this what inspired the little disclaimer about "exceptions?"
"26. Can you name 1 country in the world where women kill more than 3 men per week?"
Do Russian wives sending every man they know off to become sunflower fertilizer in Bakhmut while fervently supporting Putin's regime count? Because the stuff you hear in leaked calls from the front, lemme tell ya...
"31. Can you name 1 country where female-led governments have stated that men are not legally allowed to drive trains, tractors or pilot ships?"
Had to exclude planes and narrow to "female-led governments" because even Saudi Arabia has female fighter pilots, eh?
"37. Can you name 1 country where men and boys were routinely sectioned and had their reproductive organs removed because female doctors believed it was causing them to become insane?"
Nowadays, the residency and med school enrollment numbers for OB/GYN speak for themselves, and someone's gotta circumcise the baby boys for... something about cereal, I think?
FGM in Africa and the Middle East, likewise, is also overwhelmingly performed by female elders